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Peter:
ReplyDeleteI didn't want you to miss the response, the letter you wrote to that McDonald, he didn't respond, wonder why?
There were so many things in the savethe males post, that were just bizarre and yet, I know they are not.
The Levenda books, touch alot on the early religions of the US, and yeah there were some crazy beliefs, I mean crazy. In fact some saw America as the new Israel. There is much religious lore about the connection between the two. I can't recall it all at this time.
But the first christians were basically some kind of evangelical christian, whom it seems the british were not to crazy about, likely because they were a bit fanatical or something.
But, there beliefs were strange to say the least, and alot of them surrounded this ideology of the new Israel.
They actually believed that old Jewish tribes may have inhabited the country.
Over at Gnostic media there is an interview with Mitch Horowitz that covers some of this topic, you may find it interesting because it covers the 'burned out' district. You live or oringinated from quite near that strange area.
Horowitz seems to go on basically about this religious stuff.
Levenda mixes the occult(religion cults) with politics.
What they both speak of is the mingling of some crazy religous stuff with the world politic.
I can't help but wonder if some of this is still ongoing....
Check that interview out, it may give you another layer to some funky religious crap and it's birth in the US.
As for the Levenda books, Peter they are excellent, I am on book 2. If you could get them and read them, you won't be disappointed.
OK Pen,
ReplyDeleteI have downloaded the itch Horowitz interview and am listening to it as I type.
Get back to you in an hour or so.
Share what you think
ReplyDeleteHorowitz deals with a great number of topics. He admits at the end of the interview that he couldn't address Scientology because of it's large amount of info. Because the topics are quantitative it seemed qualitatively weak. I desparately wanted him to speak more to the "Burned out district" because of my family history in that region.
ReplyDeleteMormonism got it's start there and it is the preeminent spiritual movement to arise from there.Although there were a wealth of other spiritual movements to arise from that region.
The region, "burned out district" was a "carriage route" from the east to the west on the American journey of manifest destiny. I cannot remember where that name "burned out district" received it's origins. I need to know what that origin is. :(
My keyboard is acting funny. It doesn't register the st rokes and leaves blanks. My writing is weak and this keyboard problem makes writing even more diffiult.
My impression about the burned out district and my family's experiences are this: the spiritualism was more a city phenomena. By city , I mean a "town" mentality .Small town or large town, It differed from my family in that my family was very rural farmers. Quite separate from town culture and consequently my family was not affected my this spiritual town movement...IMHO.
Look at how ormonism developed ultimately. Huge tabernacles not unlike theurban Cathedrals of Europe be it Roman cathoic or Episcopal cathedrals.
My family was rural. their churches were those small white wooden Congregational style churches that one sees in New England, An architecture profoundly differrent from the town/urban Cathedrals of stone.
So my family was never a part of that spiritaulism mentioned by Horowitz.
IMHO Horowitz is a Mason or Masonic apologist.
To highlight this rural town separation, I direct you to my great great grandfathers text that deals with the History of the Waldensians and Albigensians. Simply, it recalls a history of plunder by urban Rome against the rural valley's of the Piedmont in Northern Italy.
ReplyDeleteMy great great grandfather obviously was witnessing history repeat itself in the "burned out district", by reading this history.
or some reason this thread makes me think of a movie from 1992 called, "A River Runs hrough It".
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I this film is an interplay of frces which seemingly hint at a clash of cultures betwen town and rural countryside. Thisfilm takes place in the early 20th cetury. Montana but coul easily be 19th century New York burned out district.
The closing lines, taken from a short story by McLean, are as haunting as they are beautiful:
"But when I am alone in the half light of the canyon all existence seems to fade to a being with my soul and memories. And the sounds of the Big Black Foot River and a four count rhythm and the hope that a fish will rise. Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs. I am haunted by waters."
lol, he could well be a mason, who knows.
ReplyDeleteI found the whole burned out district thing weird.
I don't get the bizarre religious beliefs.
I would imagine his book covers this topic more then could be covered in the interview.
Levenda addresses that district also and the birth of Mormonism and the origins of scientology.
I don't get it?
alot of that came out of old cults. The mormons came right out of ritual magic, that is how they got their golden whatevers...
I found interesting Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophic movement, there were some intelligence ties to that woman.
great grand dad was Italian?
lol great great grand dad was named Jones. He was a Welshman like Tom Jones :) (What's New Pussycat? whoa whoa whoa oh oh)
ReplyDeleteThat book about the Waldensians& Albigensians was also written by a Welshman in England who was courted by High Anglican church leaders to become High Anglican but he refused.
These Waldensian and Albigensians were the original heretics who the Church in Rome burned at the stake during and before the Inquisition. They were also called Catharie which is another term for Puritan which is where the English Puritans had their spiritual origins who were also loathed by the High Anglican Cavaliers during the English Civil War. The same Puritans who fled England and landed in Plymouth Massachucetts.
The elites (crowned boodsuckers) have buried thehistory of the Waldensians and Albigensians down the memory hole.
ReplyDeleteThese original heretics (Cathars/Puritans) had a gnostic tradition that has many differing interpretations. They predated the Protestant Reformation by centuries.
The georgraphy of Northern Italy or the Piedmont region has two major cities where the Protestant tradtions still exist, Turin (Torino) and Milan. Both these cities have also a stong tradition of linkage with Marxism.
A welsh 1980's new wave band called Scritti Politti The name Scritti Politti was chosen as a homage to the Italian Marxist theorist Antonio Gramsci: The name is generally understood to refer to Gramsci's political writings (although the correct spelling in Italian would have produced "Scritti Politici"). Gartside changed it to 'Scritti Politti' as he thought it sounded more rock and roll, like "Tutti Frutti".
Gramsci is buried in a Protestant graveyard in Rome.
delicious tune
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